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		<title>Comment on Back from a looong hiatus&#8230; by Pete Vriesenga</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2013/05/13/back-from-a-looong-hiatus/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete Vriesenga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 14:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think twice about getting behind Make Music Denver. The Downtown Denver Partnership is again producing this event under &quot;Downtown Denver Events, Inc&quot; which is just one of their charitable, tax-exempt organizations. For those who are paying attention, there is a serious glut of such &quot;charitable&quot; organizations that are choking our local industry and exploiting musicians. They all cry poverty and contributions received never trickle past the bookkeeper.

DDP is likely the worst offender, their CEO currently earns $360k/year and their hardline corporate mission is more than evident. In light of the collective billions in assets that DDP represents they should pay professional musicians ... something. Incredibly, DDP representatives firmly assert that will never happen ... never!

Here&#039;s a link to a detailed account of this story:
http://www.dmamusic.org/news/1187/into-the-belly-of-the-beast

Pete Vriesenga, President
Denver Musicians Association
303-573-1717]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think twice about getting behind Make Music Denver. The Downtown Denver Partnership is again producing this event under &#8220;Downtown Denver Events, Inc&#8221; which is just one of their charitable, tax-exempt organizations. For those who are paying attention, there is a serious glut of such &#8220;charitable&#8221; organizations that are choking our local industry and exploiting musicians. They all cry poverty and contributions received never trickle past the bookkeeper.</p>
<p>DDP is likely the worst offender, their CEO currently earns $360k/year and their hardline corporate mission is more than evident. In light of the collective billions in assets that DDP represents they should pay professional musicians &#8230; something. Incredibly, DDP representatives firmly assert that will never happen &#8230; never!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to a detailed account of this story:<br />
<a href="http://www.dmamusic.org/news/1187/into-the-belly-of-the-beast" rel="nofollow">http://www.dmamusic.org/news/1187/into-the-belly-of-the-beast</a></p>
<p>Pete Vriesenga, President<br />
Denver Musicians Association<br />
303-573-1717</p>
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		<title>Comment on What’s in a (band) name? by Marc</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2012/02/16/whats-in-a-band-name/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could sell a good band name, but you&#039;d need to think about a couple things first...

To have it be worthwhile, you&#039;d need to grab the url(s) associated with the band name as well.  Often enough, the url is more important than anything else these days, and if a band already has that, they may not need to deal with you whatsoever.

I would also suggest that you check your motives - life is hard enough for bands these days, especially original bands.  Why possess a band name unless you plan on using it for yourself?  Just my two cents...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could sell a good band name, but you&#8217;d need to think about a couple things first&#8230;</p>
<p>To have it be worthwhile, you&#8217;d need to grab the url(s) associated with the band name as well.  Often enough, the url is more important than anything else these days, and if a band already has that, they may not need to deal with you whatsoever.</p>
<p>I would also suggest that you check your motives &#8211; life is hard enough for bands these days, especially original bands.  Why possess a band name unless you plan on using it for yourself?  Just my two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on What’s in a (band) name? by e. peters</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2012/02/16/whats-in-a-band-name/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[e. peters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi, can you sell a good band name or can it be logged somewhere ie, index of names ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, can you sell a good band name or can it be logged somewhere ie, index of names ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on our local live music scene&#8230; by StevenCee</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2012/04/02/some-thoughts-on-our-local-live-music-scene/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevenCee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure #6 is related to the others, Marc, as it&#039;s all related. And yes, the music must be calling, as I and everyone else who hears/feels that calling carry on, despite all odds &amp; obstacles... As long as there are those who appreciate what we do, we just have to not let those who don&#039;t, distract us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure #6 is related to the others, Marc, as it&#8217;s all related. And yes, the music must be calling, as I and everyone else who hears/feels that calling carry on, despite all odds &amp; obstacles&#8230; As long as there are those who appreciate what we do, we just have to not let those who don&#8217;t, distract us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on our local live music scene&#8230; by Marc</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2012/04/02/some-thoughts-on-our-local-live-music-scene/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing, Steven!  Some very good observations.  Perhaps your point #6 is related to points 1, 2, 3 and 5?  But if music is the calling, it&#039;s worth doing 100%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing, Steven!  Some very good observations.  Perhaps your point #6 is related to points 1, 2, 3 and 5?  But if music is the calling, it&#8217;s worth doing 100%.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some thoughts on our local live music scene&#8230; by StevenCee</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2012/04/02/some-thoughts-on-our-local-live-music-scene/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevenCee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a few observations, having just been here less than two years....

1. Pay is very, very low. I&#039;ve seen far too many bands playing for $50 or less, sometimes much less. And I&#039;ve never seen so many notices on CL, for club or festival gigs that pay nothing, or basically gas money. 

2. For clubs to hire three bands (or more) a night, well, that&#039;s pretty crazy. I guess it&#039;s good for them, but awful for musicians trying to make some money for working a Friday or Saturday night. That kind of &quot;sell your own tickets&quot; &amp; &quot;people have to say at the door who they are coming to see&quot; venues, are what I would call, &quot;Showcase rooms&quot;, and I&#039;ve really only seen that in places like LA, where you may have a real chance of being seen by industry people. Who&#039;s been signed or risen to national status, by doing a set at Herman&#039;s Hideaway?

3. I&#039;ve seen gigs featuring a (local) DJ charge three or four times what a live music may be able to get away with, and that really sucks.... which brings me to..

4. I&#039;ve never in my life seen more bands playing bars (even ones that don&#039;t pay beans), doing the same, over-played tunes. The ones that you hear at weddings, corporate events, &amp; company Christmas parties. WTF is up with that? How will you create a following by doing Brick House, September, Play That Funky Music White Boy, &amp; Sweet Home Alabama, night after night, year after year? No wonder people aren&#039;t paying too much attention to who&#039;s playing where, if they know every weekend, they&#039;ll just hear the same songs, some done a little better than others, but after a few drinks, who cares even about that.....

5. I try to see what&#039;s happening at various clubs, especially when I&#039;m not working on a weekend night, and it&#039;s not always very easy. It would be nice if band &amp; venue websites kept up-to-date calendars, or if there was a centralized outlet that had a very comprehensive list of who&#039;s where. And clubs that don&#039;t even post their schedules in their own place, well, that&#039;s just plain dumb, and then they wonder why the band&#039;s following ain&#039;t there, or why the crowd on a Tues or Wed., isn&#039;t growing. Well, when you have hundreds of customers in on the weekends, and they leave, with no clue whatsoever, that you have live music on others nights, much less who&#039;s playing, well, as I said, that helps no one.....

6. I&#039;ve noticed an acceptance on the part of too many musicians, that they&#039;re never going to be paid much, they might as well play free or low, low paying gigs, &amp; the idea of making a living doing it, is a fantasy they never even consider.  To see ads for players, where they want top pros only, will be rehearsing regularly, etc, etc, with a GOAL, of playing out a couple times a month, well, ok, whatever.... maybe the sights are set a bit low, yeah?
But what I can&#039;t figure out, is why, since we should all love what we do, do I see a number of bands, on the few gigs in a month they do play out, play with less than 100% intensity, or even professionalism. Again, you aren&#039;t going to gain any excitement or interest, with sloppy, half-assed playing. You needn&#039;t be a virtuoso by any means, but at least give it your all when you&#039;re on stage....

I&#039;ve seen bands in many other towns, from Portland, to Chicago, Atlanta, LA, SF, even in Hawaii, no matter how small or large the venue, go all out when they play. I feel, and certainly not with every band, as there are definitely some great bands &amp; players here, but there&#039;s also a level of complacency &amp; lackadaisicalness here, I&#039;ve simply not experienced any where else, and it&#039;s been both puzzling, and unanticipated....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few observations, having just been here less than two years&#8230;.</p>
<p>1. Pay is very, very low. I&#8217;ve seen far too many bands playing for $50 or less, sometimes much less. And I&#8217;ve never seen so many notices on CL, for club or festival gigs that pay nothing, or basically gas money. </p>
<p>2. For clubs to hire three bands (or more) a night, well, that&#8217;s pretty crazy. I guess it&#8217;s good for them, but awful for musicians trying to make some money for working a Friday or Saturday night. That kind of &#8220;sell your own tickets&#8221; &amp; &#8220;people have to say at the door who they are coming to see&#8221; venues, are what I would call, &#8220;Showcase rooms&#8221;, and I&#8217;ve really only seen that in places like LA, where you may have a real chance of being seen by industry people. Who&#8217;s been signed or risen to national status, by doing a set at Herman&#8217;s Hideaway?</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;ve seen gigs featuring a (local) DJ charge three or four times what a live music may be able to get away with, and that really sucks&#8230;. which brings me to..</p>
<p>4. I&#8217;ve never in my life seen more bands playing bars (even ones that don&#8217;t pay beans), doing the same, over-played tunes. The ones that you hear at weddings, corporate events, &amp; company Christmas parties. WTF is up with that? How will you create a following by doing Brick House, September, Play That Funky Music White Boy, &amp; Sweet Home Alabama, night after night, year after year? No wonder people aren&#8217;t paying too much attention to who&#8217;s playing where, if they know every weekend, they&#8217;ll just hear the same songs, some done a little better than others, but after a few drinks, who cares even about that&#8230;..</p>
<p>5. I try to see what&#8217;s happening at various clubs, especially when I&#8217;m not working on a weekend night, and it&#8217;s not always very easy. It would be nice if band &amp; venue websites kept up-to-date calendars, or if there was a centralized outlet that had a very comprehensive list of who&#8217;s where. And clubs that don&#8217;t even post their schedules in their own place, well, that&#8217;s just plain dumb, and then they wonder why the band&#8217;s following ain&#8217;t there, or why the crowd on a Tues or Wed., isn&#8217;t growing. Well, when you have hundreds of customers in on the weekends, and they leave, with no clue whatsoever, that you have live music on others nights, much less who&#8217;s playing, well, as I said, that helps no one&#8230;..</p>
<p>6. I&#8217;ve noticed an acceptance on the part of too many musicians, that they&#8217;re never going to be paid much, they might as well play free or low, low paying gigs, &amp; the idea of making a living doing it, is a fantasy they never even consider.  To see ads for players, where they want top pros only, will be rehearsing regularly, etc, etc, with a GOAL, of playing out a couple times a month, well, ok, whatever&#8230;. maybe the sights are set a bit low, yeah?<br />
But what I can&#8217;t figure out, is why, since we should all love what we do, do I see a number of bands, on the few gigs in a month they do play out, play with less than 100% intensity, or even professionalism. Again, you aren&#8217;t going to gain any excitement or interest, with sloppy, half-assed playing. You needn&#8217;t be a virtuoso by any means, but at least give it your all when you&#8217;re on stage&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen bands in many other towns, from Portland, to Chicago, Atlanta, LA, SF, even in Hawaii, no matter how small or large the venue, go all out when they play. I feel, and certainly not with every band, as there are definitely some great bands &amp; players here, but there&#8217;s also a level of complacency &amp; lackadaisicalness here, I&#8217;ve simply not experienced any where else, and it&#8217;s been both puzzling, and unanticipated&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musicians as employees or independent contractors? by StevenCee</title>
		<link>http://denveroriginalmusic.com/2012/05/26/musicians-as-employees-or-independent-contractors/#comment-107</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This happened before in Hawaii, and was triggered when someone in a band tried to file for unemployment, and the issue was whether the bandleader, or the venue was the &quot;employer&quot;, since they had been working a steady 5 nights/wk gig for maybe a couple years. The repercussions were similar to the massive confusion going on here, today. 

I was the off-nights band, and the owner was a bit testy, as to what everyone&#039;s status was, he insisted he&#039;s not the employer, and of course, I did too, since I was an IC, as were my band members. However, when there&#039;s a steady engagement involved, whether it&#039;s a solo performer, as I&#039;m doing currently, or a band, it can be very sticky. Obviously, I&#039;m told when to play, and I&#039;m paid either in cash (at one place) or by check, made to me personally (at the other). So, I would imagine, since the gigs have been ongoing for nearly a couple years, that if I were let go, and filed for unemployment, it could create a huge mess for the owners. And not having an actual contract, IMHO, puts the employers in more hot water/gray area, which of course, sucks, cause the last thing we need is for most of the venues to stop hiring musicians/bands, out of fear of their liability. 

For many years, I&#039;ve always had all sidemen sign receipts, sent them 1090s, etc, &amp; since the times we played were always set by the clubs or clients, I&#039;ve done my best to avoid any indication of being the &quot;employer&quot;. However, I can see where agencies/event planners could be seen that way, especially if the same few bands are used very frequently, although I disagree with the state, that they should be considered &quot;employers&quot;, as each gig is contracted, and aren&#039;t all the same. 

It really is a completely unneeded further burden, on an already tough industry. Sometimes governments go after those, not with the big bucks, but the least able to mount effective (ie. costly) defenses. That&#039;s why millionaires are audited less frequently than small businesses or independent contractors.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happened before in Hawaii, and was triggered when someone in a band tried to file for unemployment, and the issue was whether the bandleader, or the venue was the &#8220;employer&#8221;, since they had been working a steady 5 nights/wk gig for maybe a couple years. The repercussions were similar to the massive confusion going on here, today. </p>
<p>I was the off-nights band, and the owner was a bit testy, as to what everyone&#8217;s status was, he insisted he&#8217;s not the employer, and of course, I did too, since I was an IC, as were my band members. However, when there&#8217;s a steady engagement involved, whether it&#8217;s a solo performer, as I&#8217;m doing currently, or a band, it can be very sticky. Obviously, I&#8217;m told when to play, and I&#8217;m paid either in cash (at one place) or by check, made to me personally (at the other). So, I would imagine, since the gigs have been ongoing for nearly a couple years, that if I were let go, and filed for unemployment, it could create a huge mess for the owners. And not having an actual contract, IMHO, puts the employers in more hot water/gray area, which of course, sucks, cause the last thing we need is for most of the venues to stop hiring musicians/bands, out of fear of their liability. </p>
<p>For many years, I&#8217;ve always had all sidemen sign receipts, sent them 1090s, etc, &amp; since the times we played were always set by the clubs or clients, I&#8217;ve done my best to avoid any indication of being the &#8220;employer&#8221;. However, I can see where agencies/event planners could be seen that way, especially if the same few bands are used very frequently, although I disagree with the state, that they should be considered &#8220;employers&#8221;, as each gig is contracted, and aren&#8217;t all the same. </p>
<p>It really is a completely unneeded further burden, on an already tough industry. Sometimes governments go after those, not with the big bucks, but the least able to mount effective (ie. costly) defenses. That&#8217;s why millionaires are audited less frequently than small businesses or independent contractors&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denver Original Music by Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My immediate advice would be to pay your dues in smaller clubs, playing however/whenever you can.  If the music is incredible, you will be noticed - if not, well, that&#039;s feedback too.  I would also suggest hunting down other artists that have some musical similarity and pick their brains for success tips.  If none are out there, you may want to consider moving to another city...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate advice would be to pay your dues in smaller clubs, playing however/whenever you can.  If the music is incredible, you will be noticed &#8211; if not, well, that&#8217;s feedback too.  I would also suggest hunting down other artists that have some musical similarity and pick their brains for success tips.  If none are out there, you may want to consider moving to another city&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denver Original Music by Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 02:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I produce Electro-House/EDM music in Denver. I&#039;ve been producing for 6 months, but highly active (obsessive, really) on music promo sites. At this point I&#039;ve made it to Reverbnation.com&#039;s number 1 spot on the Denver local charts for EDM (30th in the world), collected over 5,000 fans from various social media site, and have developed into quite the producer in a short amount of time. My problem now is that I&#039;m stuck. I&#039;m dying to play live but no matter how many google searches I make and websites I join I haven&#039;t been able to land the gig I&#039;m looking for. My genre is for a particular crowd that cannot be found in small gigs; I&#039;m looking for something much larger. Where do I go from here??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I produce Electro-House/EDM music in Denver. I&#8217;ve been producing for 6 months, but highly active (obsessive, really) on music promo sites. At this point I&#8217;ve made it to Reverbnation.com&#8217;s number 1 spot on the Denver local charts for EDM (30th in the world), collected over 5,000 fans from various social media site, and have developed into quite the producer in a short amount of time. My problem now is that I&#8217;m stuck. I&#8217;m dying to play live but no matter how many google searches I make and websites I join I haven&#8217;t been able to land the gig I&#8217;m looking for. My genre is for a particular crowd that cannot be found in small gigs; I&#8217;m looking for something much larger. Where do I go from here??</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musicians as employees or independent contractors? by Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all of those examples!  Entertainers are a very unique situation, and many live below the poverty level already.  This is both a unique class of worker and an at-risk population.  Does the state really want to squash live entertainment out for good?  That&#039;s where these judgments are heading...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of those examples!  Entertainers are a very unique situation, and many live below the poverty level already.  This is both a unique class of worker and an at-risk population.  Does the state really want to squash live entertainment out for good?  That&#8217;s where these judgments are heading&#8230;</p>
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